This is NOT a police van
4hero
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This is NOT a police van

I'm recently attended the Bathgate Highland Games on my own (31st May 2008, West Lothian, Scotland) and an interesting day it was too.

30 seconds after I took this shot I was stopped by two police officers (this was the first time I had been questioned for taking photos).

Dinky Donuts van

The following is a transcript of our conversation:

Police man: who are you
Me: Neil
Police man: why are you taking photos of the police van (just of the left of this shot)
Me: I was taking a shot of the Dinky Donuts van
Police man: can I have your details
Me: Why do you need my details, I'm in a public place doing nothing wrong?
Police man: well, it's been reported that someone has been taking photos of the police and army here at the games
Me: Is that illegal in a public place?
Police man: no, but what with the risk of terrorism I'd just like to check your details anyway
Me: Is terrorism not just an excuse to stop me? Seems a bit lame when we are in a Highland Show (picture this, men in kilts tossing cabers, men with bagpipes, people eating candy floss)...
Police man: No, but I'd just like to check your details anyway
Me: reluctantly passes over details

I was really tempted to walk away before the conversation ended, but feel I could have been charged with breach of the peace or something.

Why do we have to go through this just because I carry 2 camera's with big lenses. As if a terrorist is going to carry around a rather large 100-400mm lens.

The quicker this issue with photographing in public is resolved the better.

Neil.


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Bathgate games? A NO-GO area!

I too attended the games briefly as my daughter was to receive a prize there for some artwork she'd done.

I'd taken along my D50 kit on the off-chance of finding some interesting (i.e. saleable) shots... There were plenty of folk there with SLRs but I too was made to feel very uncomfortable by the police. In fact I'm fairly sure the female officer shown here (for all we can only see the back of her head) is one who basically followed me around at close quarters for 15 minutes until I was joined by my 11-year old, her Mother and three ice-cream cones...

We didn't stay long.... The prize giving was badly signposted and though my daughter got her prize she missed the 'ceremony'. The ice cream was horrendously expensive and vile tasting, and between the NEDS running around eyeing up my camera bag with a view to nickin' it and the Polis [sic] eyeing up my camera bag with a view to nickin' me....

I recall well the police van sitting to the left of the doughnut stand. As we were leaving we approached from the right of the doughnut van such that all I saw was the front of what I first thought was a ice-cream van. There was another (dark haired)female officer standing at its doors who drew me the filthiest of filthy looks as I passed it. I simply looked blankly back at her (I was in the process of putting the camera back in its bag) and waited for my Daughter and her mum to catch up with me....

For a moment I did actually consider writing in with a complaint to L&B police at Livingston.

But basically I was left with a bad taste in my mouth. The games was an absolute zoo with drunken neds running wild all over the place. MANY of them OBVIOUSLY under-age and drunk. NOT a safe event to take your family to!

And no wonder they were getting away with it if the Polis [sic] were too busy harassing everyone and anyone who was carrying a half-decent camera rather than stewarding the event properly!

As a professional television cameraman/producer I'm rather used to being afforded a certain level of 'access' to events. But it's not all-that-many years since I was a youngster snapping away at events learning the basics of my trade and starting off my portfolio. Likewise I know of many amateurs and semi-pros who derived a lot of pleasure and created a lot of documented social history through simply attending such events and making a decent record of them...

It's as Ironic as it is disturbing that whilst chaos reigned. And I was made, by the disorderly and the anti social to feel intimidated through the fear that I might be robbed or assaulted. The very people who's purpose should have been to protect me instead brought another level of fear and intimidation.

4hero
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fotdmilke, I only got a

fotdmilke, I only got a couple of shots of their back

back

This guy was the one doing the questioning:

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I feel more determined to take pictures in public places though, and after reading various comments on other forums, will be more prepared for next time!

Cheers,

Neil.

Neiljohn
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Plastic or real Police?

Its funny, perhaps they're concerned about continuity of supply of doNUTs!

All joking aside I took some shots of a Police/Fire display on the IoW recently, the one with the biggest concern was a local councillor, the Police officer (an old hand) and his 'plastic' mate were quite happy. The councillor seemed quite hyped up about the size of my kit, Nikon D1 and pro-glass, his agenda seemed to be very anti photography, at the time I wondered just why, perhaps it'll come out one day...

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This is so stupid it's comical

What on earth was the policeman thinking, if at all? I just hope nobody perpetrates a terrorist outrage against a Do-nut van, else Neil will be on the next unlogged flight to Egypt...

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fotdmike
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This is not a police van

Had it been me I'd have been tempted to start taking loadsa pics of the police and army thereafter.

This whole situation's getting quite ridiculous.

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